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JFeigelson

Your disgusting efforts to revive attempts to portray Hitler as just a normal, everyday man have meant that I have been forced to report you to the Anti-Defamation League - who I hope will be able to close down your odious Nazi-sympathizing site.

Christie Shingler

I think that the fact that Hitler WAS indeed a 'normal' man - not a beast, but a human being is the scariest part of the history books. If we are convinced he was 'evil' or a 'monster' then we can absolve ourselves and our communities of any guilt. If he was a 'normal' human being, then society itself was at fault and although this is not a pleasant thought, it is, undoubtedly, the truth.

The realisation that Hitler was a normal, ordinary man, leading a normal, ordinary life which was somehow warped and twisted by society, a society which encouraged him to do awful things, should be promulgated and spread. Otherwise, this could happen again and again, allowing us all to say "well, he was evil, wasn't he?" and do nothing.

Please allow this slice of reality to stay and lose the "he was a monster and not normal like us" falicy!

Tom Morris

"who I hope will be able to close down your odious Nazi-sympathizing site"

Reality check. Posting a reproduction of an article does not make you a Nazi sympathiser. In the same way that reading the Bible doesn't make you Christian or reading the Constitution doesn't make you American. There's this little thing called "history" and "academics" and the study of the past to avoid mistakes in the future. If people couldn't read information and materials about people like Hitler, that would be the biggest shame because they wouldn't be able to learn from how he ran his country.

Joe Grossberg

Christie Shingler:

Your attribution of Hitler's actions to the society around him is just awful. Is no one responsible for their actions any more?

A "normal, ordinary man"? Normal ordinary men do not delude themselves into thinking they can create a thousand-year Reich by exterminating world Jewry and subjugating the rest of the globe.

A nice house doesn't say anything meaningful about its inhabitants -- just because Hitler didn't live in a dark tower surrounded by a moat of lava doesn't mean he wasn't a monster.

Your logic is bogus. Our holding him responsible for his atrocities doesn't absolve us of all sin. It's entirely consistent to say that the US, the UK et al. were guilty of not stopping Hitler's crimes even if they were not to blame for his existence.

JFeigelson:

If anything, I took the opposite message. Namely, an important reminder of exactly how willing civilized people were to accept such an evil man.

Stijun

Omg people seriously, stop searching random blogs with the keyword hitler in them, trying to make a point just because you can is stupid.
My mate wjw was just posting some pictures of this mans home, if you havn't noticed THEY WERE OF HIS HOME!, he never sort out to encourage idiots like you who try to make your self special by reporting his site etc etc to these leagues.
It happend over 50 years ago, and probably none of you were alive at that time, stop trying to be special and just shut up.

Frank DiSalle

I suppose she might have felt better if Hitler was stomping around in the garden, chewing the blossoms off the tops of the flowers, like some "giant from 'Jack and the Beanstalk'" wannabe. Some people need to get a grip. Or. maybe, get the Grippe.

Anonymous

By all means double-check me, but this was November 1938. Hasn't their copyright expired by now? If so, it's in the public domain, and H&G can go stuff themselves ...

Anon.

For works after 1978 it's the life of the author plus 50 or 70 years (there seem to be differing opinions, I didn't look at it in depth, but it's not important to this post.)

The important one is the one that is prior to 1978.

According to http://www.efuse.com/Plan/copyright.html, "Works created before January 1, 1978, are subject to different rules. If the owner of one of those older copyrights does everything right, the total length of copyright protection is 75 years from the date the copyright was obtained."

If it's a work for hire, it's 75 years as well.

So, no. Obscene amounts of time have to pass before the copyright expires. We have another decade and a couple of months before this can be placed in public domain. Look forward to November 2013!

Chris

I don’t care what they say but these are important facts. Are you going to condemn CNN for showing Sudan house inside, Hitler might have been a madman but people are still fascinated about him. Not because we want admire Hitler but rather we need to understand Hitler, and why he did so much insanity in his lifetime. He might have been a madman but he did some good like start an industrial revolution, there is good and bad in everything. We have to learn from other peoples mistake life is too short to make them all on our own.

[link] Wired magazine article.

Mike

I sad to see this wasn't taken in its posting in the spirit in which it was intended. Its obvious this is a fawning article and product of the times not some pro-hitler posting by a neo nazi. It is also interesting to see some disturbing parallels with modern american culture in that the mood of this peice is flavoured in such a similar and sympathetic method as the current american "free press" is to bush. Further from the perspective of the other 6 billion people outside the US who arn't manipulated (entirely) by deeply bias CNN and such dominated reports and convenient omissions how the public of such a country can raise a man like bush up on a pedestal for giving them what they want while demonising another. This isn't to say that bush is another hitler, his death camps are minimal and offshore at least but there are simply some disturbing parallels.

Its an interesting time to be an external observer.

Evutch

What a strange and frightening insight to a mans world and past. What strange reactions to this posting. A few have hit the nail on the head however. To think that an entire nation, (if not more) could have been so enthraled by this mans visions to have implemented the nightmare to follow...We could have and should have been reading about an odd, obscure little eccentric Austrian who had a charming house from which he made cute little watercolours.
He was just a pathetic little man, that others fed until he ate them.

Hugo

To JFeigelson,

to quote:
".....been forced to report you to the Anti-Defamation League.....close down your odious Nazi-sympathizing....."


Without sympathy, JFeigelson, there is no understanding, without understanding no common humanity.

Exhortions to STAMP OUT HATE seem very Stalin-esque. So remember: Soviet genocides preceded Nazism both in time and in scale.

Benjamin

This should help:
Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
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Sec. 107. - Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include -

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.


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TITLE 17 CHAPTER 1 Sec. 106.
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Subject to sections 107 through 121, the owner of copyright under this title has the exclusive rights to do and to authorize any of the following:

(1) to reproduce the copyrighted work in copies or phonorecords;

(2) to prepare derivative works based upon the copyrighted work;

(3) to distribute copies or phonorecords of the copyrighted work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending;

(4) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, to perform the copyrighted work publicly;

(5) in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work, to display the copyrighted work publicly; and

(6) in the case of sound recordings, to perform the copyrighted work publicly by means of a digital audio transmission


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TITLE 17 CHAPTER 1 Sec. 106A.

Sec. 106A. - Rights of certain authors to attribution and integrity

(a) Rights of Attribution and Integrity. -

Subject to section 107 and independent of the exclusive rights provided in section 106, the author of a work of visual art -

(1) shall have the right -

(A) to claim authorship of that work, and

(B) to prevent the use of his or her name as the author of any work of visual art which he or she did not create;

(2) shall have the right to prevent the use of his or her name as the author of the work of visual art in the event of a distortion, mutilation, or other modification of the work which would be prejudicial to his or her honor or reputation; and


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Reality Check

The people who are screaming about the article being anti-Semitic need to take their heads out of their rear ends. What's next? Cut down all the evergreen trees in Germany because they just happened to appear in the pictures of Hitler's house? Bulldoze all of the mountains in the area of Hitler's house flat? Remove the atmosphere of the entire planet because it appeared in the pictures? Kill all German Sheperd dogs because Hitler just happened to own one?

People being hauled off in boxcars, gassed in showers without water and incinerated in ovens is anti-Semitic. Posting pictures of a dead dictators house to understand his psychology is not.

If JFeigelson can't figure that out, then he's an uneducated idiot who's an embarrasment to Judaism and insults the memory of the 6 1/2 million Jews who were murdered.

Scott

"I am forced to report you..etc" ooohhh, boy,
I'd be real scared. The IDF might send in a flight of F-16's and take out your house.
GET A GRIP YOU MORON.

John Joerg

Thanks for posting the article on Hitler's House in the Mountains. I had to smile a few times at the poor Jew who was offended and tried to intimidate you. Glad I don't live around him, and even happier I don't know him. We have a right to whatever information is out there. The US is in trouble in large part because of the foolish Security Act, where a dishonest president (or his henchmen) can declare the evidence of a crime classified because of national security. Thank God for the Internet and fuk'em.

Texas

It's truly facinating to read the attacks on a person and his website for publishing an article like this. Pathetic is my words.

Anyway, the 6.5 millions reffered to a couple of times here are at fault. The museum at Auschwitz had to lower the official number from four million to one million at this particular camp, eventhough the pope had blessed all four million souls.

This means that we will have to subtract three millions from the other number aswell.

This was just meant as information and respect for historical facts as we know them just now.

Jon Evans

I can't believe there are people here who are attacking the person who posted this article. It is neither an example of Nazi sympathising nor anti-semetic but rather a historical document. As a student of history I see this as a primary source of information which is interesting for scholars and academics over the world. History texts print posters and documents from Nazi Germany to give students an understanding of the culture during this period and the publishers and editors of these books can hardly be accused of being Nazi sympathisers. This is historical information and very interesting information at that

Mark Gutstahl

I took the liberty of copying the image prints posted on the Guardian site to (c:/marks_personal_stuff) for future ref ;).

I do find it strange though that F'son hasn't found any time to come back to respond to any of the respondents adding to your blog.

Albeit, and in my opinion, I think the guy is a an utter twit.

Thankyou for highlighting this article. In principle there was nothing to it: other than highlighting what happened at the time - unlike other events which we have been forcefully encouraged to remember from that same period.

I am 36 years old and cut.

I condone nothing, I presume nothing and I read articles that cause a stir (and/or which might be true?).

Regards,

Mark.

David Tiley

I have a different read of this article. To me, admittedly overwhelmed by hindsight, this is about sycophancy. H&G ignores the rapidly deteriorating political situation in Germany - the Annexation of Austria had either happened or was being stridently demanded - and prints a grovelling article about Hitler.

They even managed to use the word "annex" without irony or recognition. They used, as we now know, a pile of Nazi propoganda photographs which were five years out of date.

I don't think this dignifies Hitler. It humiliates H&G. The author, according to Google and US libraries had already written two books on the US, the second of which was about "Whether the US Can Survive". I would not be surprised if these books suggested that the US was undermined by racial mixing, and maybe a failure to euthanise the disabled.... we don't know, but its fair to wonder.. I'd love to know what happened to him.

Paul Parrish

It's strange to see this article reappearing again.You aren't the first to reproduce it, but you are the first to incur the wrath of IPC, to the best of my knowledge. The article was picked up by Associated Newspapers a few years back and ran in The Evening Standard - just after Homes And Gardens had it's 75th anniversary and various journalists had trawled the archive for things to write about. I'm sure they wouldn't have been responsible for leaking the article!! Anyway, I don't think anybody got shirty on that occasion, but there was minor indignation about the article appearing.
As a matter of interest Homes And Gardens has never been exactly "right on". It's 1919 - 1920 copies are concerned with the loss of the serving classes after WW1 and the inconvenience this cause in running one's household, and there are some priceless articles in the early 40's about how to make the most of your air raid shelter as a feature of your garden (as a traditionalist I think I would have been more concerned with being bombed - not so the Homes And Gardens reader!)

Simon Waldman

Paul, you're right..I've actually been contacted by the guy who wrote the article...it's all in this post

nirav

i want to many many photographs of my god"hitler " if you please send my address . PLEASE

David Weirich

Geeze.....lighten up!! You can't erase the 30's and 40's. You can't pretend that history never occured as the Germans are doing by bulldozing and paving over historical sites. How can the world learn about its past mistakes, if news articles are censored and only the "good" is reported?

Angel Elf

I for one would like to see what the grounds of Berchtesgaden looked like. I'm not a Nazi or an "anti-semite" but a student of architecture and history. I think that by forcing you to remove the article is a form of censorship and I think that fair use of a copyrighted work is in your favor.

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